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  Does the GB really care if the organization collapses?

  by Driving Force in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am sure that the gb does not care about the r&f jw.

  it does not care about the organization collapsing overnight.. why do i say this?.

  in 2013 the organization declared that the "faithful and discreet slave" consisted only of the seven member of the gb.

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  @ LostGeneration

  No appologies necessary, you were right in challenging my assumptions.
  This shows that we are free to think for ourselves and no longer under the chains of thought control
  
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  Does the GB really care if the organization collapses?

  by Driving Force in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am sure that the gb does not care about the r&f jw.

  it does not care about the organization collapsing overnight.. why do i say this?.

  in 2013 the organization declared that the "faithful and discreet slave" consisted only of the seven member of the gb.

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  @ Lostgeneration
  I spent a long time on this, and this was something that helped me wake up.

  There are 115,416 congregations in the world (yb2014). Not every congregation has its own kingdom hall admittedly.

  About 70 000 of these congregations are in industrialized nations, where property is not so cheap. I have traveled through almost all European countries, Scandinavia, US and Canada. Certainly the properties are quite valuable in these lands where most of the assets are.
  

  Take whatever average value you want per KH, take whatever percentage of congregations have their own KH and do the math yourself. You will come up with a large figure. The WT does not make any kind of financial statement, so any figure is speculation. We know that the buildings in NY alone are worth over 1 billion dollars.

  How much cash did the Watchtower fleece from the congregations in addition to taking the buildings?
  How much are all the branch offices worth?
  How high is the investments in hedge funds and other investments?
  What value does all the inventory in the branch offices have?

  Using the same figures for congregations, what is the annual income for the building fund? Just take the figure from your own congregation or the last congregation you belonged to, (you know the brothers you can estimate), and multiply that up. Take into consideration that almost all labor is free for the organization, and that is a vast amount of money that will never be spent on KHs and maintenance.

  My figure of US$50 billion, is only a calculated guess, but I did spend a long time considering this and the possible financial situation in the industrial lands. I do not think that one of the pathetic buildings the organization builds for the brothers in a poor African land is comparable to anything built for the brothers in the US.

  If this figure disturbs you, it disturbs me as well. I will not make any excuse for an organization that took 28 years of my life.
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  Does the GB really care if the organization collapses?

  by Driving Force in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am sure that the gb does not care about the r&f jw.

  it does not care about the organization collapsing overnight.. why do i say this?.

  in 2013 the organization declared that the "faithful and discreet slave" consisted only of the seven member of the gb.

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  I found this quite interesting.

  http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=35951450
  
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  Does the GB really care if the organization collapses?

  by Driving Force in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am sure that the gb does not care about the r&f jw.

  it does not care about the organization collapsing overnight.. why do i say this?.

  in 2013 the organization declared that the "faithful and discreet slave" consisted only of the seven member of the gb.

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  @ Finkelstein

  You are right, but you have to admit they appear to be getting desperate.

  Closing branches, reducing printing, selling all in NY, taking away everything from the congregations, there is definitely an agenda with all this.
  

  Great how they are now building their geriatric retirement palace.
  
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  Does the GB really care if the organization collapses?

  by Driving Force in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am sure that the gb does not care about the r&f jw.

  it does not care about the organization collapsing overnight.. why do i say this?.

  in 2013 the organization declared that the "faithful and discreet slave" consisted only of the seven member of the gb.

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  @ XBEHERE

  
  

  I think almost every JW believes/believed at some time that it is God's channel, otherwise they would not have been baptized.
  You are right cults are not that easy to define. Certainly before the introduction of the Slave being the GB, what I postulated could not be true, but this situation has only been apparent for about two years. The GB are not dumb, they know what they are doing.
  
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  ARE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY STATISTICS REALLY TRUSTWORTHY?

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  of these, over 2,000 were admitted to concentration camps.

  1,000 died in prison and concentration camps.

  another 1,000 of jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.".

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  • The Watchtower, December 15, 1950, p. 500: "Already during the Hitler regime about 1,000 Jehovah's witnesses were executed as traitors, because they not only refused to serve in the war but openly opposed Hitler's authority. Another 1,000 of Jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.

  
  

  This is a very interesting statement. This clearly shows that JWs were not neutral at the time. The GB wants us to believe that the witnesses suffered because of their christian neutrality, when clearly the watchtower admits they were not neutral. They were not neutral because the organization coerced them into protesting against the regime. Only speculation, but if JWs were really neutral at the time I am sure that many would not have been incarcerated, and certainly fewer would have been killed. The Watchtower has the blood of these men and women on their hands, and they know it.
  
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  Nothing Says, "I Love You!" Like Institutionalized Shunning!

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

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  may 15, 2105 watchtower, pp.

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  I actually like the picture, the sister who is obviously DF'd, is very colorful, but the rest are dull.
  
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  Does the GB really care if the organization collapses?

  by Driving Force in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i am sure that the gb does not care about the r&f jw.

  it does not care about the organization collapsing overnight.. why do i say this?.

  in 2013 the organization declared that the "faithful and discreet slave" consisted only of the seven member of the gb.

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  I am sure that the GB does not care about the R&F JW. It does not care about the organization collapsing overnight.

  Why do I say this?

  In 2013 the organization declared that the "Faithful and Discreet Slave" consisted only of the seven member of the GB. This was declared as new light.

  We all know from Watchtower Doctrine that all the theocratic material possessions on earth are there to be administered by the Faithful and Discreet Slave, now consisting of just seven men.

  After taking over all property and extra cash from all congregations on the whole planet, which amounts to at the very least US$ 50 billion, they are in a great position if every one leaves, they can just share the cash between themselves.

  But so long as more cash is coming in than going out, they will continue to try and coerce even more money from the members. This should increase over the coming years, maybe they introduce tithing.
  All in all they do not care. When I watch the videos on JW Broadcasting, I do not see one single bit of sincerity, when one of the GB members speaks.
  
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  Earthquake in Nepal

  by Driving Force in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the 2104 yearbook the organization reported there were 2004 average publishers in 34 congregations.

  although the organization has made a very short announcement on their website concerning this, it will be interesting to see to what extent their "relief efforts" amount to.. lets remember that nepal is one of the poorest countries in the world and need every bit of help they can get.

  just being concerned about the houses and the local office of jws in nepal is hardly showing christian love..

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  In the 2104 yearbook the organization reported there were 2004 average publishers in 34 congregations. Although the organization has made a very short announcement on their website concerning this, it will be interesting to see to what extent their "relief efforts" amount to.

  Lets remember that Nepal is one of the poorest countries in the world and need every bit of help they can get. Just being concerned about the houses and the local office of JWs in Nepal is hardly showing christian love.
  
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  The shift: from follower to wanting to leave

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this week has been the week when my whole way of thinking shifted.

  i still cannot believe how this can happen so fast.

  over a period of seven days i went from not even imagining that i could ever not be a witness to wanting to get out of this organisation.. .

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  @ paradisebeauty
  
  I am a fader and recently I had a discussion with someone in the congregation I considered to be a friend, and as many on here have realized there are no real friends with JWs, its all conditional.

  Basically the brother said I should be honest and open to the organization and send a letter saying that I no longer wish to be a JW. I pointed out the the organization lies, cheats and uses undue influence on all its members to keep them under control, but I should be open and honest.
  

  No way.
  The organization/elders do not need to know.
  Keep them guessing.
  If you do not attend meetings or go in the ministry, but do not actively oppose the organization they can do nothing to you. That means that if you meet a witness on the street he/she will talk to you.
  On no accounts allow two elders to visit you and question you about your beliefs, they are just looking for a way to denounce you, and they will.
  They did it to me, before I started to fade, it was a very simple thing. I always said no to resolutions and they sent two elders to investigate. Altrough I had on three separate occasions to three different elders explained that to simply announce a resolution to the congregation out of the blue and not give the members any chance to think about it and to ask questions was not christian (2 minute question time before the resolution is not sufficient).

  To get me to agree to the visit, they lied and fabricated some excuse.
  Thereafter I accused them of using Gestapo tactics, and as I live in Germany this hit them very hard, but they could not deny that the tactics were Gestapo like. I.e. not being honest about the visit, sending two and then questioning me.

  So the advice that you have already received here is great, do nothing, do not play into their hands.
  Doing that you can be completely honest.